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<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt">Beast
Speech</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 72.0pt">(Various
variants – birds, snakes, wolves etc)</li></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt">Valarin</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 72.0pt">Aulean</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 108.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Khuzdul (Dwarvish)</b></li></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 72.0pt">Melkorean</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 108.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Dragonspeech</b></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 108.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Orcish Dialects & Black Speech</b></li></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list
72.0pt">Oromean</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 108.0pt">Quendian</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 144.0pt">Avarin</li></ul></ul></ul></ul>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>Hildorin </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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</span></span></span>Lintadorin </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:234.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 234.0pt"><span style="font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>Old Mágo </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:270.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 270.0pt"><span style="font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:
Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;">Adûnaic</span> </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:306.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level5 lfo1;tab-stops:list 306.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""></span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Westron </b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>Eriedaic </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:270.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 270.0pt"><span style="font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:
Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:
Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""></span></span></span>Foradanin or Fornen </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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</span></span></span>Old Rhovanian </div>
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Atliduk</b>
(Beijabar)</div>
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>Aivathiudan </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Éothric</b>
(Eothraim)</div>
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Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>New Rhovanian </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Delsk </b>(Dalish)</div>
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</span></span></span>Lossanan (Lossoth)</div>
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Gramiska</b>
(Gramuz)</div>
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Nahaiduk</b>
(Woodman)</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Neneduk</b>
(Lakeman)</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>Arhûnerin </div>
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Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>Baradhrin </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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</span></span></span>Bórian </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Angmarian
</b>(Angmar)</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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</span></span></span>Uldorian </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Szreldorn</b>
(Dorwinrim)</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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</span></span></span>Aravadorin </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>Talatherin </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>Ioradja </div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Asdraja</b>
(Asdriags)</div><span style="font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:
Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore"><span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab"> <span class="tab">
</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span>Ulgathig
<div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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</span></span></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Logathig</b>
(Logath and Sagath)</div>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle"><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square"><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 144.0pt">Eldarin</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level5 lfo1;tab-stops:list 180.0pt">Common
Telerin</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level6 lfo1;tab-stops:list 216.0pt">Nandorin</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level7 lfo1;tab-stops:list 252.0pt"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Hawnin</span> </span>(Southern
Gondor)</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level7 lfo1;tab-stops:list 252.0pt">Silvan</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level8 lfo1;tab-stops:list 288.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Bethtaur </b>(Lorinand (Lorien)
Silvan)</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level8 lfo1;tab-stops:list 288.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Tawaren </b>(Mirkwood Silvan)</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level8 lfo1;tab-stops:list 288.0pt"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Uialarin </span></span>(Snow Elves of the
Forodwaith)</li></ul></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level6 lfo1;tab-stops:list 216.0pt">Sindarin</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level7 lfo1;tab-stops:list 252.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Gondorian Sindarin </b>(Gondor)</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level7 lfo1;tab-stops:list 252.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Noldorin Sindarin</b>
(Eregion/Lorien)</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level7 lfo1;tab-stops:list 252.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">North Sindarin</b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"> (Mithrim) </b>(Grey Havens)</li></ul></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level5 lfo1;tab-stops:list 180.0pt">Quenya
(High Elvish)</li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level6 lfo1;tab-stops:list 216.0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Noldorin Quenya</b></li></ul></ul></ul></ul></ul></ul><div><span><br></span></div><div> So to answer your question Mirkwood Silvan to Noldorian Sindarin would be at -8, or -4 levels. Native in one would give you professional in the other. Professional in one would give you broken in the other. They are not that close.<br><br>A closer relationship would be Delsk to Eothric, which would be -4 (-2 levels). Beijabar to Nenedik (Lakeman) or Gramiska (Gramuz) would be only -2 (-1 level)<br><br></div><div>--<br>Regards,</div><div><br><br></div><div>Michael Cole<br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new
roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, 7 December 2013 5:33 PM, Lev Lafayette <lev@rpgreview.net> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div class="y_msg_container">On Sat, December 7, 2013 3:35 pm, Michael Cole wrote:<br clear="none">> And in terms of Languages, I am going to assume that all of you have both<br clear="none">> your native language and Westron (Latin) as a default at Language 10 level<br clear="none">> - no points will need to be spent on these. Only if you want other<br clear="none">> languages will you need to buy them, and as mentioned above, writing will<br clear="none">> also need to be bought.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Are there other defaults for languages? e.g., does Sylvan Elvish default<br clear="none">from Sindarian
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