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<div>At 12:14 PM +1100 16/11/05, Curufea wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>A success of D&D? I don't think
so - not for long term appeal. Certainly it's great for new
players, but it will soon lead to dissatisfaction. It may be a
reason, but it is a very small reason for its success. A far
larger reason is the marketting.<br>
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<i><b>Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@iprimus.com.au></b></i> wrote:<br>
<blockquote><font face="Arial" size="-1"> I think
it's one reason for the success of systems like D&D, class-based
systems. Players' choices are limited. Lets you get into play fairly
quickly.</font></blockquote>
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<div><x-tab> </x-tab>It
works for D&D, and very much works for D20 (the designers of which
have, as with so many other aspects of D&D, amplified the bits of
the rules that make them enjoyable) because you start of with a
relatively quick, not all that unique, character but by things like
choice of feat and using prestige classes you character gets to feel
much more unique and interesting. Bearing in mind that D&D (and
again, especially D20) is a nice solidly gamist game, so the aspects
of your character that matter are what you character can achieve in
problem solving/tactical situations, rather than reflections of your
back story and/or deep inner turmoil.</div>
<div><x-tab> </x-tab>So the
D20 system actually does have long term appeal, and doesn't quickly
lead to dissatisfaction. In fact, D20 is a pretty good game for long
term appeal, as the tactical stuff become really interesting and
challenging.</div>
<div><x-tab> </x-tab>Of
course, if you aren't looking for a solidly gamist game in the first
place, in the long tem you will work that out and decide its not what
you are looking for, which is probably the real reason many people
find D&D dissatisfying in the long term.</div>
<div><x-tab> </x-tab>But
make no mistake, D20 is a good solid game design for what it sets out
to do. D&D was not, but Jonathon Tweet, Monte Cook, et al are much
better game designers than Gary Gygax. Of course, Gary Gygax and Dave
Arneson had the excuse that no one knew anything about RPG design way
back then - but GG can't use that excuse for his subsequent efforts,
which have also been poor.</div>
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</x-tab>cheers</div>
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</x-tab>David</div>
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