[HQ Ignorance] Re: Sinnerbane's test

Wed Feb 21 22:53:57 UTC 2007

Yes, separate.
I imagine a liturgist as someone who preaches without being a priest. Like
all those random people at a catholic service who
aren't the priest.
An apprentice is training to be a wizard. Or an adept. Umm... point is, they
haven't such a religious or community role.
Sam.

>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ignorance-bounces at mimesisrpg.com
> > [mailto:ignorance-bounces at mimesisrpg.com]On Behalf Of Lev Lafayette
> > Sent: 21 February 2007 20:01
> > To: HeroQuest Glorantha
> > Subject: Re: [HQ Ignorance] Re : Re : Sinnerbane's test
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah, not quite. My reading (and I could be wrong) is
> > that Liturgist and Apprentice are separate, but
> > parallel, occupations. Basically, the Apprentice stays
> > at the Church and learns magic whereas the Liturgist
> > goes out and promotes the world.
> >
> > The Church thought it was best that you do the latter
> > :-)
> >
> > New post coming today!
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> >
> > Lev
> >
> > --- Loran <aillet_l at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > > I have re-read the HQ book on sorcery and I think
> > > that I need to be an apprentice before being a
> > > liturgist, no?
> > >
> > > What ever the rule points, at the story level the
> > > case is closed for me now... ready to depart!
> > >
> > > Loran
> > >
> > > ----- Message d'origine ----
> > > De : Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette at yahoo.com.au>
> > > À : HeroQuest Glorantha <ignorance at mimesisrpg.com>
> > > Envoyé le : Lundi, 19 Février 2007, 2h45mn 01s
> > > Objet : Re: [HQ Ignorance] Re :  Sinnerbane's test
> > >
> > >
> > > "Azhur even wondered for a while if this paternal
> > > attack could have been a part of the test itself?"
> > >
> > > Well spotted ;-)
> > >
> > > The Battle Seers declare that your steadfast
> > > commitment to the Church, along with your
> > > flexibility
> > > to also engage in humble and conciliatory remarks
> > > makes you an ideal member: "The greatest bane for
> > > sinners will be one who truly understand them. For
> > > it
> > > is not what what goes into one's head that indicates
> > > corruption, but rather what comes out of their
> > > mouth".
> > >
> > > You are now of Liturgist of the Battle Seers. Spend
> > > 3
> > > Hero Points and receive Use Scripture and Venerate
> > > God
> > > at 13 for free.
> > >
> > > Your father remarks: "Well done son, and good
> > > timing.
> > > You are about to engage on the sort of adventure I
> > > could only dream of. Bring pride to the name of our
> > > house".
> > >
> > > --- Loran <aillet_l at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Baffled by this words, Azhur looked hopelessly at
> > > > his father and at the present Battle Seers. How
> > > > could his father speak so openly of heresy and
> > > > against the official dogma of the Hrestoli Church
> > > of
> > > > Loskalm? Could it be possible that the Battle
> > > Seers
> > > > were accomplices or even just neutral in such
> > > > debate?
> > > >
> > > > Azhur tried to catch back his escaping reason and
> > > > added facts as fast as his thoughts accepted to
> > > > develop: of course no big secret could stay hidden
> > > > for long to the eyes of the Battle Seers Chapter
> > > and
> > > > anyway, one day, Azhur would have had to face the
> > > > question with his possible masters, of course
> > > these
> > > > wizards were dedicated to help strategists and
> > > lords
> > > > and probably his father even if hereticï¿½ but
> > > what
> > > > kind of answer could be the right one? Torn
> > > between
> > > > his son obedience and his religious education,
> > > Azhur
> > > > even wondered for a while if this paternal attack
> > > > could have been a part of the test itself?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lost and battered, Azhur decided to remain true
> > > and
> > > > to expose frankly his dilemma:
> > > > - ï¿½My dear father, among your sons, Iï¿½m
> > > certainly
> > > > not the first in place and in virtues. However,
> > > > following the advices you gave me in my childhood,
> > > I
> > > > have dedicated my life to protect your name, your
> > > > house, your people, your country and your honorï¿½
> > > and
> > > > this not only because they were also mine! I spent
> > > > my early years at your service in your own castle,
> > > > learning every day from your own example, then I
> > > > protected your forests and properties against
> > > > intruders, learning to live simply among the
> > > simple
> > > > folk...ï¿½
> > > >
> > > > He looked at his father, just feeling weak and
> > > > transparent, and he added:
> > > > - ï¿½Now after several years of lonely wander,
> > > with
> > > > the Holy Book of Good King Siglat as only guide
> > > for
> > > > my soul, you ask my judgment of errant knight. I
> > > can
> > > > just tell you this: I havenï¿½t spent all this
> > > time
> > > in
> > > > studies on sophisticate questions of faith and
> > > > belief, but in quests for justice among the
> > > poorestï¿½
> > > > If you are asking me if Iï¿½m taking lessons from
> > > a
> > > > dangerous spirit that pretends to be a reflect of
> > > a
> > > > pagan godï¿½ Iï¿½ll be sorry but I have just seen
> > > a
> > > > criminal thing taking away the life of a gentle
> > > and
> > > > valiant knight of ours, but I recognize
> > > > that as it is said that this pagan god is somehow
> > > > linked to death, this act probably doesnï¿½t prove
> > > > anything in a way or in an other!ï¿½
> > > >
> > > > The tone of this last statement was quite
> > > convinced
> > > > and combative, showing a will forged in adversity,
> > > > but Azhur softened his voice after:
> > > > - ï¿½But if you are asking me if Iï¿½m an enough
> > > > trustworthy son, ready to quest for foreign and
> > > > alien knowledge, even at the risk of putting his
> > > > soul in danger, then I will answer you that I am,
> > > > since my first breath, your humble debtor and
> > > > servitor. Youï¿½re a far more advanced man than I
> > > am.
> > > > You went with successes through all castes tests
> > > and
> > > > you know better than me where can lay our chances
> > > in
> > > > this Hero Wars. I just can add that, for this type
> > > > of travel and search, anyone will need all the
> > > > understanding that he can gather and all the
> > > > blessings confident and loving ones can give him.
> > > >
> > > > Lowering his head and bending with obedience in
> > > > front of so many superiors, Azhur concluded:
> > > > - ï¿½ Please, Father, permit me, just as Hrestol
> > > did,
> > > > to learn from my own errors but also to advance
> > > with
> > > > my own convictions, and please, wise Seers, let me
> > > > learn from you how to discern better among the
> > > many
> > > > treacherous ways that the Fellowship of Talorï¿½s
> > > > Weapons will soon have to face.ï¿½
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OOC : Masks are falling so abruptly!
> > > > I hope that this writing will make a dramatic and
> > > > interesting reading for everyone.
> > > > Anyway, things can only be clearer after this
> > > scene.
> > > > Good Sunday to all ! :-)
> > > > Loran
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Message d'origine ----
> > > > De : Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette at yahoo.com.au>
> > > > ï¿½ : ignorance at mimesisrpg.com
> > > > Envoyï¿½ le : Samedi, 17 Fï¿½vrier 2007, 14h26mn
> > > 33s
> > > > Objet : [HQ Ignorance] Sinnerbane's test
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Along with many of the Order of the Swallow Lord
> > > > Daymere met his son, Azhur Sinnersbane, and the
> > > > Battle
> > > > Seers Chapter tested the young knights knowledge
> > > of
> > > > liturgy and doctrine. But as Sinnersbane answered
> > > > the
> > > > questions put to him, he emphasised the need for
> > > > purity and goodness to reach the state solace and
> > > > immortality, and he condemned the heresies, and
> > > > called
> > > > the Stygian beliefs a dilution of God's will, and
> > > > that
> > > > they were no better than the pagans and death at
> > > the
> > > > hands of jealous spirits awaited them.
> > > >
> > > > And Lord Daymere rose to his feet, red in his face
> > > > and
> > > > interrupted the test. He bellowed at his son, and
> > > > demanded that he explain what he had learned from
> > > > his
> > > > experience with the Nameless Man, for rumour spake
> > > > that the apparition was an aspect of what the
> > > pagans
> > > > name Grandfather Mortal. He reminded his son that
> > > > soon
> > > > he would be travelling to the Nidan Mountains, and
> > > > perhaps even beyond to Arkat's homeland of Ralios,
> > > > where the Henotheists have Power; and there it is
> > > > rumoured that Arkat has indeed returned and in
> > > many
> > > > different form.
> > > >
> > > > "What say ye, good son?", Lord Daymere spake.
> > > > "Everywhere you go there seems to be new and more
> > > > evidence that the Hero Wars begin and that mighty
> > > > spirits and their followers are many. Would it not
> > > > be
> > > > an irresponsible danger represent the Supreme
> > > Diety
> > > > with acknowledging these Powers?"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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