[HQ Ignorance] Re : Re : Scene 60: The Angel of Mourning. Thinking time

Wed Apr 9 01:27:38 EST 2008

Well, if a Regent is appointedand Azhur continues on as an  
adventurer, I'll  add my vote for not seeing the problem..

-:)

Dougie.

On 8 Apr 2008, at 15:32, Sam Elliot wrote:

> Kings...
>
> Aragorn was a king and did very little kingy stuff in the books. So, I
> don't think it is a problem.
>
> I actually see most potential when we have things like heroquests and
> we can have someone take the role of King. Powerful juju. So, I was
> serious about it being useful to have a king.
>
> Courtship...
>
> Interesting that everyone is taking this as an elfish attitude. I
> actually see it as a mediaeval attitude. Weddings among nobility were
> always practical affairs, unions and so on. That there might be
> attraction in this case; well, that is very much an addition made by
> folk like mallory, no?
>
> Must dash.
>
> Sam.
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Loran <aillet_l at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> [OOC]
>> Well I have to make some comments on what is going on.
>> 1. On Azhur as a king :
>> First, Bravo to Sam for the movement he made, at meta-level he put  
>> both the PC and the player in a difficult position by consciously  
>> or unconsciously pointing out my very inner contradictions... very  
>> interesting situation indeed, but now I need your advices.
>> (I have discovered that OOC comments is the biggest advantage of  
>> PBeM over IRL RPG : we have time  to make side discussions on the  
>> game.)
>> Being a terrible ambitious maximisator powermonger, discovering my  
>> PC in position to claim a kingdom is quite flattering for me, and  
>> especially because it wasn't my goal at all as a player in this game.
>> At player level, I find Ichtya's proposal terribly seducing :
>> - Being a part-time king of New Seshnela, Azhur could finally use  
>> his old arkati background to wake up the old Earth Power of the  
>> goddess Seshna (to me, all the misfortunes of this country come  
>> from the way the seshnelan authorities are treating their local  
>> earth goddess since Dawn), as a side effect, this movement could  
>> also help to integrate more closely Jareena within the group and  
>> help the fellowship to be less "western sorcery" like. Aalmon's  
>> role as mediator between Divine and Sorcery philosophies is also  
>> obvious (if he doesn't get 'nuts' too much before ;-)
>> - With his credo of "Duty, Chevalry and Equality", I feel  
>> confident to make Azhur building closer links between different  
>> peoples like elves, beastmen, telmori, humans and... awaken  
>> bazaks! (perhaps as a kingly symbole of unity, like the secret of  
>> the Graal in John Boorman's film Excalibur).
>> - With his hrestoli background but lack of dogmatism since his  
>> spiritual death, Azhur could try to offer a renewal to the old  
>> Hrestoli faith and a second chance to the local western faith (in  
>> his own effort to ressurect his own faith in Churches).
>> The very direct advantage for the Quest is to get closer to  
>> Ralios, stop war within the West and help securing Fronela when  
>> the time for strong alliances will come against the Kingdom of  
>> War, the probable local arch-enemy in the coming Hero Wars.
>> At game level, Sam's proposal for a Regent withdraws the  
>> objections of both blocking the quest of Talor's Weapons and  
>> overflowing the game with boring politics and Kingdom management.
>> Finally all of this sounds great to me... but... but I'm not sure  
>> that it would be so appealing to the other players. I absolutly do  
>> not wish to take the central position in our game (and I strongly  
>> fighting this trend in me, even if you can't see my poor successes  
>> there :-D).
>> Of course at PC level, Azhur feels for the moment absolutly  
>> uncompetent and he lives his doubts on Religion as a great  
>> weakness that can only be reavealed if he becomes too visible,  
>> thus ruining all his efforts to stay an honorable person...
>> Then to me, it's then very easy to go in either direction:
>> => Becoming a King is exciting but I fear quite selfish from me  
>> (even if I'm ready to respect my fair share of "Light on the  
>> scene" and to help others to climb the ladder too) while staying a  
>> more modest adventurer is logical and perhaps more easy to handle  
>> for everyone.
>> Of course the GM could have the terminal argument on that, just by  
>> saying "I do not wish that direction for my game!" and I will  
>> accept this without problem.
>> => Please comments welcome !
>> 2. On refusing Wilkairtha's axe
>> I was trying to get the bearer with the axe, because Wilkairtha  
>> has certainly a greater mastery than anything we could ever  
>> achieve, but I'm very happy if Knarl get it...
>> It seems to me better both within the story (more logical from a  
>> telmori to an other telmori, instead of an official descendant of  
>> his enemy) and within the game (giving an asset to Kevin will help  
>> to balance power and interest among players, I think).
>>
>>
>> 3. On the Telmori's curse Heroquest.
>> I like the idea developped by Nick and I'm ready to go in this way.
>> Karala deserves definitively a greater part of the game!
>> (and a little devil is muttering in my ears "and it would be a  
>> good political move for a king of Peace in Seshnela!" Argh! Get  
>> away! get away! :-D)
>> 4. To Lev : How does Lady Marianne takes the idea of being a  
>> fertile earth for Azhur's seeds ? All Azhur's sincere courteous  
>> rhetoric must appear quite hyprocritical in the light of Icthya's  
>> biological statement! :-S (once again Sam, thank you ! :-P)
>> I still wonder how Azhur can react (blushing ?). Icthya is just a  
>> plant so i'm 'screwed', yes! LOL!
>> Thanks for reading me and thanks for your comments!
>> Loran
>>
>> ----- Message d'origine ----
>> De : Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette at yahoo.com.au>
>> Ŕ : HeroQuest Glorantha <ignorance at mimesisrpg.com>
>> Envoyé le : Mardi, 8 Avril 2008, 5h34mn 55s
>> Objet : Re: [HQ Ignorance] Re : Scene 60: The Angel of Mourning.  
>> Thinking time
>>
>>
>>
>> The Baron speaks softly, "So Anzhur... Do you have any
>> comments to add to your friend's outburst... I thought
>> the Aldryami had a longer period of courtship myself,
>> but circumstances are... different."
>>
>> --- Loran <aillet_l at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> I support the idea of Nic about lifting Telmori's
>>> curse and Azhur can't accept to become a king when
>>> his duty is still to save his own land form the
>>> Kingdom of War.
>>> But don't worry, Lady Marianne's love is bigger trap
>>> for his courage than such an glorious position...
>>> Loran
>>>
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>>> Mourning. Thinking time
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Sam Elliot <samlelliot at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Nic Hughes
>>>> <nicolas.h at virgin.net> wrote:
>>>>> As we seem to be at a point where one set of
>>>> scenes ends we have a bit
>>>>> more choice over where we head next. Personally
>>> I
>>>> would like to follow
>>>>> up on the "save the telmori from the curse"
>>> thread
>>>> and work towards a
>>>>> major heroquest at the end of which we have some
>>>> means of redemption for
>>>>> the telmori - probably not a cure for the curse
>>> as
>>>> such but a known path
>>>>> for them to follow to be able to live with it
>>> and
>>>> control the
>>>>> consequences. Or is there  a defined story-line
>>>> that we need to be
>>>>> following right now?
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy with anything-ish, FWIW. But, I just
>>>> thought I'd question
>>>> one thing here - I don't think there is actually
>>> any
>>>> obligation to
>>>> lift the curse, is there? Or to do so before
>>> saving
>>>> the world
>>>> etcetera.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Both Anzhur and Aalmon (around scene 35 ) said that
>>> they wish to "right the wrongs" of Talor's Curse -
>>> and
>>> now Karala is getting into that plot arc as well :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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